diff --git a/src/build.tcl b/src/build.tcl
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..8b137891
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/build.tcl
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+
diff --git a/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
index 8941c00b..6c09d932 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
@@ -107,8 +107,8 @@ namespace eval punk {
     debug off punk.pipe.args
     debug level punk.pipe.args 3
     debug off punk.pipe.rep 2
-    debug on punk.pipe.compile
-    debug level punk.pipe.compile 4
+    debug off punk.pipe.compile
+    debug level punk.pipe.compile 2
 
 
     debug header "dbg> "
@@ -2736,12 +2736,11 @@ namespace eval punk {
     variable re_dot_assign      {^([^ \t\r\n=\{]*)\.=(.*)}
     #match_assign is tailcalled from unknown - uplevel 1 gets to caller level
     proc match_assign {scopepattern equalsrhs args} {
-
         #review - :: is legal in atoms! 
         if {[string match "*::*" $scopepattern]} {
             error "match_assign scopepattern '$scopepattern' contains namespace separator '::' - invalid."
         }
-        puts stderr ">> match_assign '$scopepattern=$equalsrhs' $args"
+        #puts stderr ">> match_assign '$scopepattern=$equalsrhs' $args"
         set fulltail $args
         set homens ::punk::pipecmds
 
@@ -4688,7 +4687,7 @@ namespace eval punk {
         }
         set cond [string map [list <glob> $glob] {expr {[string length $item] && [string match <glob> $item]}}]
         #env members such as ''path' not case sensitive on windows - but are on some other platforms (at least FreeBSD)
-        return [list .= {set ::env(PATH)} |> .=/2 string trimright $sep |> .=/1 split $sep |> list_filter_cond $cond ]
+        return [list .= set ::env(PATH) |> .=>2 string trimright $sep |> .=>1 split $sep |> list_filter_cond $cond ]
     }
     proc path_list {{glob *}} {
         set pipe [punk::path_list_pipe $glob]
@@ -6938,7 +6937,10 @@ namespace eval punk {
     interp alias {} linelistraw {} punk::linelistraw
     interp alias {} linelist {} punk::linelist ;#critical for = assignment features
     interp alias {} linesort {} punk::linesort
-    interp alias {} path {} punk::path
+   
+    # 'path' collides with kettle path in kettle::doc function - todo - patch kettle?
+    interp alias {} PATH {} punk::path
+
     interp alias {} path_list {} punk::path_list
     interp alias {} list_as_lines {} punk::list_as_lines
     interp alias {} list_filter_cond {} punk::list_filter_cond
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
index d550c940..53a4c581 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
@@ -109,12 +109,19 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::cli {
         } else {
             puts stderr "warning: Missing $projectdir/src/README.md"
         }
+        #todo - tag substitutions in src/doc tree
+
+
         cd $projectdir
 
         foreach m $opt_modules {
             newmodule $m -project $projectname -type $opt_type -force $opt_force
         }
 
+        #generate www/man/md output in 'embedded' folder which should be checked into repo for online documentation
+        cd $projectdir/src
+        Kettle doc
+
         cd $projectdir
         if {![file exists $projectdir/_FOSSIL_]} {
             set first_fossil 1
@@ -246,7 +253,7 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::cli {
             set sourcefolder $startdir
         }
         if {([file tail $sourcefolder] ne "src") || (![file exists $sourcefolder/make.tcl])} {
-            puts stderr "mix make must be run from src folder containing make.tcl - unable to proceed"
+            puts stderr "mix make must be run from src folder containing make.tcl - unable to proceed (cwd: [pwd])"
             return false
         }
         #use run so that stdout visible as it goes
@@ -261,11 +268,137 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::cli {
         }
     } 
 
+    proc Kettle {args} {
+        tailcall kettle_call lib {*}$args
+    }
+    proc KettleShell {args} {
+        tailcall kettle_call shell {*}$args
+    }
+
+    proc kettle_call {calltype args} {
+        if {$calltype ni [list lib shell]} {
+            error "pmix kettle_call 1st argument must be one of: 'lib' for direct use of kettle module or 'shell' to call as separate process"
+        }
+        if {$calltype eq "shell"} {
+            set kettleappfile [file dirname [info nameofexecutable]]/kettle
+            set kettlebatfile [file dirname [info nameofexecutable]]/kettle.bat
+
+            if {(![file exists $kettleappfile]) && (![file exists $kettlebatfile])} {
+                error "pmix kettle_call unable to find installed kettle application file '$kettleappfile' (or '$kettlebatfile' if on windows)"
+            }
+            if {[file exists $kettleappfile]} {
+                set kettlescript $kettleappfile
+            }
+            if {$::tcl_platform(platform) eq "windows"} {
+                if {[file exists $kettlebatfile]} {
+                    set kettlescript $kettlebatfile
+                }
+            }
+        }
+        set startdir [pwd]
+        if {![file exists $startdir/build.tcl]} {
+            error "pmix kettle must be run from a folder containing build.tcl (cwd: [pwd])"
+        }
+        if {[catch {package present kettle}]} {
+            puts stdout "Loading kettle package - may be delay on first load ..."
+            package require kettle
+        }
+        set first [lindex $args 0] 
+        if {[string match @* $first]} {
+            error "pmix kettle doesn't support special operations - try calling tclsh kettle directly"
+        }
+        if {$first eq "-f"} {
+            set args [lassign $args __ path]
+        } else {
+            set path $startdir/build.tcl 
+        }
+        set opts [list]
+
+        if {[lindex $args 0] eq "-trace"} {
+            set args [lrange $args 1 end]
+            lappend opts --verbose on
+        }
+        set goals [list]
+
+        if {$calltype eq "lib"} {
+            file mkdir ~/.kettle
+            set dotfile ~/.kettle/config
+            if {[file exists $dotfile] &&
+                [file isfile $dotfile] &&
+                [file readable $dotfile]} {
+                ::kettle io trace {Loading dotfile $dotfile ...}
+                set args [list {*}[::kettle path cat $dotfile] {*}$args]
+            }
+        }
+
+        #hardcoded kettle option names (::kettle option names) - retrieved using kettle::option names 
+        #This is done so we don't have to load kettle lib for shell call (both loading as module and running shell are annoyingly SLOW)
+        #REVIEW - needs to be updated to keep in sync with kettle. 
+        set knownopts [list\
+            --exec-prefix --bin-dir --lib-dir --prefix --man-dir --html-dir --markdown-dir --include-dir \
+            --ignore-glob --dry --verbose --machine --color --state --config --with-shell --log \
+            --log-append --log-mode --with-dia --constraints --file --limitconstraints --tmatch --notfile --single --valgrind --tskip --repeats \
+            --iters --collate --match --rmatch --with-doc-destination --with-git --target --test-include \
+            ]
+
+        while {[llength $args]} {
+            set o [lindex $args 0]
+            switch -glob -- $o {
+                --* {
+                    #instead of using: kettle option known
+                    if {$o ni $knownopts} {
+                        error "Unable to process unknown option $o." {} [list KETTLE (pmix)]
+                    }
+                    lappend opts $o [lindex $args 1]
+                    #::kettle::option set $o [lindex $args 1]
+                    set args [lrange $args 2 end]
+                }
+                default {
+                    lappend goals $o
+                    set args [lrange $args 1 end]
+                }
+            }
+        }
+
+        if {![llength $goals]} {
+            lappend goals help
+        }
+        if {"--prefix" ni [dict keys $opts]} {
+            dict set opts --prefix [file dirname $startdir]
+        }
+        if {$calltype eq "lib"} {
+            ::kettle status clear
+            ::kettle::option::set @kettle $startdir
+            foreach {o v} $opts {
+                ::kettle option set $o $v
+            }
+            ::kettle option set @srcscript $path
+            ::kettle option set @srcdir [file dirname $path]
+            ::kettle option set @goals $goals
+            ::source $path
+            puts stderr "recipes: [::kettle recipe names]"
+            ::kettle recipe run {*}[::kettle option get @goals]
+
+            set state [::kettle option get --state]
+            if {$state ne {}} {
+                puts stderr "saving kettle state: $state"
+                ::kettle status save $state
+            }
+
+        } else {
+            #shell
+            puts stdout "Running external kettle process with args: $opts $goals"
+            run -n tclsh $kettlescript -f $path {*}$opts {*}$goals
+        }
 
-    proc libexample {} {
-        set result [lib::libfunc1 test]
-        return $result 
     }
+
+    #proc libexample {} {
+    #    set result [lib::libfunc1 test]
+    #    return $result 
+    #}
+
+
     namespace eval lib {
         proc libfunc1 {args} {
             return libfunc1-$args
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
index 7ef2515e..b99fa92f 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
@@ -30,19 +30,19 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::base {
         if {![string length $extension]} {
             set extension [namespace qualifiers [lindex [info level -1] 0]]
         }
-        puts stderr "arglen:[llength $args]"
-        puts stdout "_unknown '$ns' '$args'"
+        #puts stderr "arglen:[llength $args]"
+        #puts stdout "_unknown '$ns' '$args'"
         
         set d_commands [get_commands -extension $extension]
         set all_commands [list {*}[dict get $d_commands main] {*}[dict get $d_commands base]]
         error "Unknown subcommand \"[lindex $args 0]\": must be one of: $all_commands" "punk::mix::base _unknown $ns $args" [list unknown_ensemble_subcommand ensemble punk::mix::base]
     }
     proc _redirected {from_ns subcommand args} {
-        puts stderr "_redirected from_ns: $from_ns subcommand:$subcommand args:$args"
+        #puts stderr "_redirected from_ns: $from_ns subcommand:$subcommand args:$args"
         set pname [namespace current]::$subcommand
         if {$pname in [info procs $pname]} {
             set argnames [info args $pname]
-            puts stderr "$subcommand argnames: $argnames"
+            #puts stderr "_redirected $subcommand argnames: $argnames"
             if {[lindex $argnames end] eq "args"} {
                 set pos_argnames [lrange $argnames 0 end-1]
             } else {
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/build.tcl b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/build.tcl
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..2addab4b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/build.tcl
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+#!/bin/sh
+# -*- tcl -*- \
+exec kettle -f "$0" "${1+$@}"
+kettle tcl
+kettle doc
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/general.inc b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/general.inc
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..69ac59e4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/general.inc
@@ -0,0 +1,6 @@
+[comment {-*- tcl -*- --- !doctools --- manpage}]
+[comment {- -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---}]
+[moddesc   {%project% - a Tcl project}]
+[category  {unspecified}]
+[keywords  {keyword1 keyword2}]
+[require Tcl 8.6]
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome.inc b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome.inc
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..36241a53
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome.inc
@@ -0,0 +1,6 @@
+[comment {-*- tcl -*- --- !doctools --- manpage}]
+[comment {- -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---}]
+[include welcome_basic.inc]
+
+[para] Please read the document [term {%project% - Introduction to %project%}],
+if you have not done so already, to get an overview of the whole system.
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome_basic.inc b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome_basic.inc
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..b8dc5f63
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/include/welcome_basic.inc
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+[comment {-*- tcl -*- --- !doctools --- manpage}]
+[comment {- - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- ---------------------}]
+[para]
+
+Welcome to the %project% project.
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/main.man b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/main.man
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..5c2f40ee
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/layouts/project/src/doc/main.man
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+[comment {-*- tcl -*- --- doctools ---}]
+[manpage_begin %project% n 1]
+[include include/general.inc]
+[titledesc {%project% - Core}]
+[description]
+[para]
+[include include/welcome.inc]
+[para]
+
+This document is the reference to all commands provided by %project%
+
+
+[manpage_end]
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbatheader.txt b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbatheader.txt
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..b2e0367f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbatheader.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,3 @@
+::lindex tcl;#\
+@call tclsh "%~dp0%~n0.bat" %* & goto :eof
+# --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---begin Tcl
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest.bat b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest.bat
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..396aea56
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest.bat
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+::lindex tcl;#\
+@call tclsh "%~dp0%~n0.bat" %* & goto :eof
+# --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---begin Tcl
+puts stdout "exe: [info nameof]"
+puts stdout "scr: [info script]"
+puts stdout "argc: $::argc"
+puts stdout "argv: '$::argv'"
+
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest2.bat b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest2.bat
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..fbf2fcd0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates/utility/tclbattest2.bat
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+::set - {
+@goto start
+# -- tcl bat 
+:start
+@echo off
+set script=%0
+echo %*
+if exist %script%.bat set script=%script%.bat
+tclsh %script% %* 
+goto end of BAT file
+};unset - ;# --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---begin Tcl
+
+puts stdout "exe: [info nameof]"
+puts stdout "scr: [info script]"
+puts stdout "argc: $::argc"
+puts stdout "argv: '$::argv'"
+
+# -- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---end Tcl\
+:end of BAT file
diff --git a/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm b/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
index 2894a5cb..22382ded 100644
--- a/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
+++ b/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
@@ -1274,7 +1274,7 @@ namespace eval shellfilter {
     proc ::shellfilter::redir_channel_to_log {chan args} {
         variable sources
         set default_logsettings [dict create \
-            -tag redirected_$chan -syslog 127.0.0.1:514 -file ""\
+            -tag redirected_$chan -syslog "" -file ""\
             ]
         if {[dict exists $args -action]} {
             set action [dict get $args -action]
@@ -1304,7 +1304,7 @@ namespace eval shellfilter {
     proc ::shellfilter::redir_output_to_log {tagprefix args} {
         variable sources
 
-        set default_settings [list -tag ${tagprefix} -syslog 172.16.6.42:51500 -file ""]
+        set default_settings [list -tag ${tagprefix} -syslog "" -file ""]
 
         set opts [dict create -action "" -settings {}]
         set opts [dict merge $opts $args]
@@ -1777,7 +1777,8 @@ namespace eval shellfilter {
 
         variable sources
         set runtag "shellfilter-run"
-        set tid [::shellfilter::log::open $runtag [list -syslog 127.0.0.1:514]]
+        #set tid [::shellfilter::log::open $runtag [list -syslog 127.0.0.1:514]]
+        set tid [::shellfilter::log::open $runtag [list -syslog ""]]
         ::shellfilter::log::write $runtag " commandlist:'$commandlist' len:[llength $commandlist]"
 
         #flush stdout